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Self-Defense and the Daniel Penny Subway Incident

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self-defense hold by Daniel Penny
Photo from video footage by Juan Alberto Vazquez

The May 1, 2023, subway confrontation involving Daniel Penny and Jordan Neely has become a focal point in discussions about public safety and self-defense. This blog focuses on the self-defense aspects of the incident—analyzing what occurred, the decisions made, and the broader lessons for those who may face similar challenges in unpredictable public settings.


The Incident and the Role of Self-Defense


On a Manhattan-bound F train, Jordan Neely, a 30-year-old homeless man, entered the subway car at the Second Avenue station. Witnesses reported erratic behavior: Neely shouted, threw trash, and made alarming statements, such as not caring if he returned to jail. His behavior caused widespread fear among passengers, with one witness, Yvette Rosario, describing it as the most terrifying experience she’d had in a decade of subway commuting.


Daniel Penny, a 26-year-old architecture student and former Marine, stepped in to restrain Neely when his behavior escalated. Penny, assisted by two other passengers, held Neely in a chokehold. Video footage captured by a bystander showed Penny holding Neely on the floor until he became unresponsive. This tragic event has since been at the center of a debate on self-defense and the use of force in public spaces.


Self-Defense on Trial: Legal Charges and Focus


Penny is charged with manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide, and the trial centers on key self-defense questions:

  1. Was Penny’s intervention a reasonable self-defense action under the circumstances?

  2. Did Penny’s response exceed the bounds of lawful self-defense and become reckless or negligent?

At the heart of the case is whether Neely, despite his disturbing behavior, posed an immediate threat to passengers or if Penny’s actions escalated the situation unnecessarily.



The Defense’s Case: A Focus on Self-Defense Principles


Penny’s legal team argues that his actions were consistent with self-defense, citing several important factors:

  1. Immediate Threats and Precursor Behaviors Witnesses described Neely as aggressive and volatile, with his words and actions creating an environment of fear. Although Penny and other passengers could not have known Neely’s criminal history or mental health challenges, his erratic behavior showed clear precursors of potential violence, which would normally justifies a defensive response.

  2. Unintentional Outcomes The defense contends that Penny acted to protect himself and others, not to harm Neely. His response was consistent with his Marine training, designed to neutralize threats swiftly and decisively.

  3. Expert Testimony on Cause of Death Dr. Satish Chundru, a forensic pathologist, testified that Neely’s death likely resulted from a combination of factors:

    • A sickle cell condition.

    • Schizophrenia and synthetic drugs in his system.

    • The physical struggle and restraint.


      Dr. Chundru also noted that death caused solely by a chokehold typically follows a loss of consciousness, which complicates the direct link between Penny’s actions and Neely’s death.

The Prosecution’s Argument: Challenging Self-Defense


Prosecutors argue that Penny’s use of force went beyond what was necessary for self-defense, focusing on:

  1. Duration of the Chokehold Video evidence and witness accounts indicate that Penny held Neely in a chokehold for an extended period, including after Neely stopped resisting. PFC instructors contend that many Use of Force prosecutions stem from not knowing when "to take your foot off the accelerator".

  2. Negligence Standards in Self-Defense Prosecutors must demonstrate that Penny acted recklessly or negligently, failing to consider the substantial risk his actions posed.

  3. Framing Neely’s Behavior The prosecution argues that Neely, while erratic, was not an immediate physical threat but a person in distress, and that Penny’s actions escalated rather than diffused the situation.



Daniel Penny and Jordan Neely on subway
Photo from video footage by Juan Alberto Vazquez

Warning Signs and Context: What Was Known in the Moment?


A critical factor in any self-defense situation is the context known to the individuals involved at the time. Penny and the other passengers had no knowledge of Neely’s extensive criminal history or mental health challenges. However, Neely’s behavior on the subway—erratic shouting, alarming statements, and aggressive movements—showed warning signs of potential violence. These precursors likely contributed to the perception of imminent danger, prompting the passengers’ defensive actions.


This underscores a vital point in self-defense scenarios: decisions must often be made quickly based on observable behaviors rather than known (or often unknown) backgrounds. Recognizing precursors to violence is a key skill in any self-defense strategy.


Lessons for Self-Defense Practitioners


The Daniel Penny case offers valuable insights into the principles of self-defense, particularly in public settings:

  1. Understanding the Boundaries of Self-Defense

    • Self-defense laws require that the use of force be proportional to the threat posed. Excessive force, especially when the threat has been neutralized, can lead to legal repercussions.

    • Restraint methods are usually preferred over striking, but carotid restraints must be used cautiously to avoid unintended harm.

  2. Recognizing Warning Signs

    • Observable behaviors like erratic movements, threatening speech, and aggressive body language can indicate a potential escalation of violence. Responding decisively to these indicators can prevent harm but must be balanced with the legal standards of self-defense.

  3. Acting Within High-Stress Situations

    • Confrontations often require quick, decisive actions. Being able to articulate your awareness of impending danger and what you did to minimize the risk to bystanders are key components of responsible self-defense.

  4. The Role of Forensic Evidence

    • In self-defense cases, medical and forensic analysis often determines causation and intent, as seen in this trial. Practitioners should be aware that post-incident evaluations can significantly influence legal outcomes. Let's also point out that an attacker's excited delirium, toxicology, or their medical history will be unknown to you.


Conclusion


The Daniel Penny case is a sobering reminder of the complexities involved in real-world self-defense. While the jury’s decision will hinge on legal and forensic evidence, the incident underscores critical lessons for those who carry the responsibility of protecting themselves and others.


Like it or not, our self-defense requires an articulation of our perceived danger and adherence to legal standards. Whether in a public setting or a private encounter, acting responsibly and proportionately is paramount. As this case unfolds, it serves as a valuable study in the intersection of law, personal safety, and the decisions we make under pressure.




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